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Alright... I don't do this very often. But with recent events transpiring how they have, I feel that some things need to be said. First off I'm gonna state that this is all my own personal opinions, feelings, or whatever garbage you wanna call it. Now, don't look at this like I'm the author of MLD, look at this if I were a normal brony.

This entire journal is, in ways, a response to the recent postings on EqD about the youtube take downs, the pony archive destruction, and other related situations. Seth has been very professional on those postings, as well as others including Pixel Kitties who have done very good at setting a lot of bronies straight, and for reasons I'm not sure, I just felt like adding my own few cents into this mix. We need more bronies like them, who actually take time to think things over and look at the problem from the other side. I like to say I do also, but this isn't about me so I'll cut that crap. Hasbro, for over a year now, has been just amazing to us all. Allowing the youtube videos, fan art, music, and just anything else we've made up. And for that, we all should be overly grateful. Every time we search anything of MLP, we should be saying some sort of grace to Hasbro for allowing this amazing content to exist in the first place. Lauren Faust gets credit for even starting the show, her ideas and such, but that's something completely different and not a part of this.

From what I have seen, read, and been told, as of a week(?) ago Hasbro has officially been pulling the plug on the main sources of all the episodes for either download or simple watch. First off, in all honestly, that sucks. Being a brony, of course that sucks. Does that mean they don't want us to watch and enjoy the show anymore? Hell no! Hasbro is smart, if they weren't  then this fandom would have died a long time ago. But no, they've stuck by us through all the shit we have given them. When trolls posed as Hasbro, and some nice bronies went and yelled at them for it, did they turn against us? NO!

What people are failing to see is that Hasbro has to not only cover themselves, but also cover their shows, toys, and merch. All of it is effected by how we see the show. Up until a month ago, when confirmation of the episodes out on DVD, Hasbro, I like to think anyway, had no problem with us streaming the episodes online. It drew in fans, to which we bought more merch and such. But now that they are going to release them, then what? What happens to all the free watching online? We have to do what every other normal person does with any other normal tv show: buy the damn things! Hasbro is making sure that they are not going to suffer for making these dvd's. They are covering themselves to make sure that this won't come back and hurt them. We can say "Oh we'll buy them anyway" all we want, but that's just speaking through a screen. That's not a person to person talk, spit 'n hand shake, and a final farewell with a complementary pen and a thanks for stopping by.

What it all boils down to, which to most sounds unfair, is simply put: it belongs to Hasbro, there for they can do whatever they want. Again, that sucks. So we just have to learn to deal with it. And it's not like they are completely destroying what we have. All they are doing is going after the full episodes, none of the other custom made content. And I gotta tell you, if we have to sacrifice watching all the episodes for free on youtube to keep the fan art, fiction, custom plushies, and music, then I can live with that. Even if they have to yank other things, the first I can see being the plushies, then that too is understandable for the same situations just for the toy line. It's not all because they are greedy, money hungry business people who only care about profit. If it were that, then things would be really different. They simply want to protect their investments, and I can understand that. I don't have a problem with any of it. They have the rights to do as they please, and they have been more than fair with what we have done.

So real quick, I'd like to say THANK YOU HASBRO for doing what you have, and for giving us what you have. For allowing  us to enjoy this series with very free and open minds. Thank you for allowing us creators to take this show and make it so much more in the eyes of the fans. You should be proud of yourselves for what you have given us, allowed us to do, and above all stuck with us throughout our successes and fails. Hasbro, or for that matter anyone involved with the show, if you ever read this, just don't allow some of the more... aggressive fans get to you. You must realize that not all of us are naive to realize what you go through, and you need to gain something for your efforts. You need to make money on this, you deserve to. I understand, and I hope others do to, that you can't please all of us. You can't change things in the show or marketing just for us.

This show is meant for the younger audience, the true fans of this show. Now, before you go raging on me about that, I'm gonna explain myself. Us "bronies" in my eyes aren't the true fans of this show. We are a bunch of people hoping onto a band wagon full of marshmellow ponies and sugary candy. The true fans of this show, are the targeted demographic. They don't question the few faults, and continuity errors they have. They don't go and taint the show with their grimdark fics or r34 images. All they do is sit on their couch Saturday mornings and laugh to the funny adventures of six techno-colored ponies. They are the true fans of this show, so who are we to destroy that for them? They deserve more from us. We need to calm down, think things through. Because everything that we do isn't just effecting us. No. It's effecting them too. My three nieces, ages three, five, and seven, all love this show. I showed it to them, and their mother (my sister) ordered the station special just so they could enjoy it. They don't care about all this feeble shit we worry over. All they want is the ponies. So shouldn't that be what we worry about to?

What should we do? Where should we stand in all of this. We do have rights as viewers, and Hasbro has shown us that. And all they simply ask for in return is we allow them to protect their assets, by giving us means to still enjoy the show while prompting us to show them how much we truly love the show. By spending the few bucks on the DVD's, or the itunes downloads. Sure not all of us can afford it. Well, I can't afford a lot of things. I want a lot of things. Don't we all? So what makes ponies any different than that new computer, or tv, or Springfield M1A that we may want. *ahem*

Look, I know this must be tiring to you all to read this, because it's tiring for me to write it. But this has been bugging me for way to long now. At times, seeing how some of you so called "bronies" react has made me seriously consider myself no longer one. Is that what we are? One little thing goes wrong, then we attack what we think is the cause. We bite the hand that feeds us? From what I have seen... yes. We are becoming those monsters that ruin everything, because we feel we're more important and are "entitled" to things. Bah, humbug! We're not entitled to anything. Hasbro could at any time pull the plug on this and say "To hell with you bronies." At times I can't believe they haven't. I amend them for sticking around, loving and tolerating what we do to them in return.

So, if anything you get from this, just anything, let it be this:

Think, before you act. Think, before you speak. And please, put yourselves in the other end's shoes. In this case Hasbro's, or even Studio B's, and think about what they go through and must do to appease us. Because they shouldn't have to. All they should be doing, is creating smiles on little girls faces, and allowing the parents that must sit through this task to have some laughs of their own.

Authors note I need a drink after this one. For that matter, a vacation. This fandom, as much as I want to love it... is anymore disgusting me. To you that need not apply, don't worry. I'm not mad at you. Hell, I'm not mad at anyone, at the very bottom of my "mad at" list is Hasbro. In fact, I'm happy with them. Some of you have done amazing jobs at showing what being a brony was meant to be. Others need prodding to see the light, and even then they go off and do stupid shit, giving us a bad rep. I applaud another brony, Purple Tinker, for doing so much for us to give us a good name in the world. We've been thrown around as good and bad so much... I don't know which we truly even are. For PT's sake. For Seth's, and Pixel's, and every other honest brony out there that does what they can to help others and do the right thing. The bronies that think things over and can actually understand what me and others are saying, to simply, as the fellows at Bronyville put it, "Chill out, it's just a show." To all of you... I hope that the term "Brony" can be looked at down the line as a good term. Not one filled with slander and attacking others as I've seen so much.

If you have any qualms with anything I've said, then say them here. Go for it. I don't care. This is my personal thoughts and opinions, what I've been feeling for weeks now. And if it's wrong for me to feel this way, then sue me. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to continue to prepare for BroNYcon. I'm gonna go there as a fan of the show, say hello and if possible shake some famous people's hands, and hopefully enjoy myself. I'm not gonna make a fool of myself, or draw any attention. I'm going there as a normal dude that likes a show for little girls.

Good night everypony. Sleep well. I hope you've had a very Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and I look forward to what this year brings us all. God bless, amen, and TTFN
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murphy540 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2012
Amazing points there, Rob. I've been a part of the 'fandom' for roughly 3 months; I've got nothing but love and tolerance from all the 'bronies'

I can't wait for the title Brony to get what it deserves. I still may be a newbie, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant.

As much as we all would prefer otherwise, the streaming on the internet won't stop completely, and all the Bronies won't comply with Hasbro; there will be bootleg and pirated copies elsewhere. I won't name names so they're harder to find, but I digress.

Here's my definition of a Brony/Pegasister:
One who enjoys 'My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic' for both what it is, and what it represents; which includes but is not limited to: The show itself, songs from the show, inspiring messages and morals from the show, even the toys and such.
Because they enjoy the show, and more, they venture out onto the fandom to find more to sate their appetite while they wait for the next episode on the Hub, or iTunes, or wherever else they get it.

I believe your accusation that 'Bronies' are just the ones who jump on the bandwagon is flawed, at least in part. Many Bronies, myself included, legitimately enjoy the show, and don't mind the takedowns Hasbro is doing, though a few are annoyed that it's going to be harder to find the favorite episodes soon.
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ROBCakeran53 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2012
Very nice definition, I like that. And I must have used the term "bandwagon" in the incorrect sense, or at least implied it how I did not intend, but oh well.
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murphy540 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2012
Ah, 'tis the error of humanity.
One of my favorite quotes, “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” - George Bernard Shaw

And thanks for your kind words ^.^
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Ficksitup Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Writer
You are right about [i]everything[/i] here. This much, I simply cannot deny.

though the part I agree with you strongest on? This fandom. The shit I have seen... It makes it hard to love the fandom, it really, really does.
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ROBCakeran53 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!! I STILL GOTTA READ YOUR FIC WHARRGARBLEFLARGLEMALARGLEBLARGLELANSDNAC'SVDAN
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Ficksitup Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012  Student Writer
That STILL makes two of us, LOL!
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T-553412 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Oh, I almost forgot one thing.

The video takedowns are...well, technically is THEIR property, but is going to fire backwards. While a lot of people became fan of the show, and part of the fandom, thanks to them, it's also the only way for bronies outside the US to watch the episodes (Until they launch the DVD to places like South America, where the only way to get pony is by illegal downloads or Youtube). Sure, we may try iTunes, but some people:
1) Don't know about it.
2) Have something against Apple.
3) Can't pay for the episodes (Damn currencies)

Is a problem. There is a solution, and if there's not one, we will MAKE one. Because a house divided against itself cannot stand (A. Lincoln)
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amimizunofan22 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
You're certainly not the first person to air feelings of distress with regard to the fandom, nor will you be the last. I, too, feel the same way as you in probably every way. As a matter of fact, thank you. This type of thing needs to be said. I've long felt (or at least, whatever "long" can be considered given that I only began my pony fandom at the very beginning of September) that, among other things, there are a fair number of people who fail to understand and/or live up to the moralistic perspective and ideal of friendship that the show puts forth and that they pretend to follow. There's also a group of people that seem to be fans of the fandom and its products more than of the show.

Working in retail, I am all too aware of how stupid people can be and of how little some people understand business and investment. Unfortunately, the ignorance that the Internet propagates (despite its wealth of information) only amplifies this imbecility. Not to mention the whole culture of people who honestly and wholeheartedly buy into the idea that unlimited piracy is both justified and even ethical. Their mindset really doesn't go beyond "Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free; you are a pirate!" Of course, there is also the mindless self-entitlement that people have. Again, retail exposes me to this a lot, but the Internet only makes it worse.

I always treasure the moments when I have a meaningful conversation with a brony about something relevant to the show and what it stands for. Sure, it may involve speculation, memes, or even ludicrously amusing debates, but it's still more less keeps with the character of the show. Really, my favorite thing to observe in another brony is an understanding of, a respect for, and a promotion of that central tenet of the series as a whole: friendship (and, by extension, love, as true friendship can be understood as a level of platonic love). As much as fanfiction, fanart, fanmusic, etc. are enjoyable on their own, it's an integration of that theme that really makes something stand out to me. Really, it's what got me into the show in the first place. On top of that, it's what the show has actually added a fair amount of value to in my life. I can honestly say that I am a different person than I was in September, at least with regard to my appreciation of and dedication to friendship.

I, too, have noticed the degradation in meaning of the phrase "Love and tolerate." Heck, until very recently, I had been using it myself (though in a capacity that pertained to its actual meaning and implications). However, the whole meme, particularly when paired with the "...the shit out of *insert name or group here*" bit, is turning into a hollow shell of what it used to be. If I may reference Mass Effect, it's now a Husk. Related to both this and your observations, I am starting to realize that I may want to begin to tell people not that I am a brony, but that I am a fan of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. You're right; there's an increasing stigma becoming attached to the label because of the extremism of certain people. Sadly, it's only in line with a general principle we already know. As the news maxim goes, "If it bleeds, it leads." The badly behaved ones in any group, regardless of their prevalence, gain the most attention. One could use other adages like the "bad apple spoils the bunch" one to describe the situation, but the problem is achingly clear.

In any case, keep strong, buddy. I know that it's tempting to walk out on all the junk, to just reject all the negativity and dumbness by leaving it behind. However, know that there are still good people in this fandom (yourself included) who are dedicated to truly seeing its message lived out. That "Smile!" charity that Bronies for Good is running is a prime example. Plus, in spite of all the trolls, fair-weather fans, and misguided fans, there are those who truly value what you and others do. If anything, we need to stick around and try to be the role models that we set out to be and that our favorite candy-colored ponies have been to US through these episodes. We must stand the tests of time and adversity. As Twilight noted, "Friendship isn't always easy, but there's no doubt it's worth fighting for!"

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CanadianDesperado Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I am sad to see the full episodes leaving youtube. It was my only access to them :( I just hope the dvd's come out soon! Oh, also, love what you said here, ROB, it needed saying. Oh, and I hope you get that springfield M1, I would love to get my hands on one too!
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T-553412 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
Well, the fandom...is a total mess. We grew up quickly. VERY quickly. Now is very hard to see who is a "true" brony, a "regular" brony, a "in-name-only" brony, the trolls and the infiltrated haters.

My advice? Stick to Hasbro and his politics and be VERY carefull when dealing with other bronies. We preach love and tolerancy, but that doesn't means we shouldn't be looking for people who try to hurt the fandom. Hasbro doesn't has the power to oversee every chat-room, site, etc. And that's when we come in.

We created this fandom (Sort of). I say we have to keep this fandom up and running. Dark times are coming, but if the show taught us one thing, is that friendship is able to make wonders. If we split, the fandom ends, the bronies disperse, everything ends in the box of memories. If, against all odds, we stick together and support eachother, there is a chance we might be able to reach an agreement. With everyone.

Of course, that's just me.
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3arlGrey Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Took the keys right off my keyboard.

I also find it insulting how pony videos are getting the plug when there are monstrosities like Anti-Brony Neo-Nazi youtube channels + videos on the loose. That's freaking unbelievable.
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SirPeppermintJam Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think I could have said this better myself.

But I damn well am gonna try.

Good luck at BroNYCon! Try not to get mugged by all the MLD fans, yo. I wish I could be there to help you out, but there's about a thousand or so miles between us.

Cheers!

(Also, you and Sunkist, man...)
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abnoormal Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank goodness for you ROB. I seriously hope more people take this into account.
Your seventh paragraph was full of rainbows and truth :iconilavplz:
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Delta-Pangaea Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist
It's terribly sad regarding the youtube takedowns, as well as Ponyarchive.

Fact remains though, that besides the streams, those were my only method of getting ponies.

Even if I was WILLING to buy from APPLE (shakefist), I can't because they're dumb and fail to realise that people in Australia have money and might like to buy things.

And we probably won't get the DVDs for a million years after everyone else gets them anyway.
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sasuketoo Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
Agreed. On another note: Oh, you and your Sunkist, bro.
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Scrooples Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for writing this.

I hope you have fun at bronycon, sure wish I was going! :)
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AndroidPudding Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Now, if the episodes get pulled off Youtube by Hasbro, fine. You win some, you lose some. No harm no foul; it is their stuff, after all. But if it gets pulled due to a copyright claim from "Anal McButtfuck" or what have you, than I have a reasonable excuse to be cheesed off. I mean, sure, it'd probably get pulled legitimately at some point anyway, but trolling is trolling and no sir, I don't like it.

I am not "jumping on a bandwagon". I have a chemical imbalance in my brain; my higher functions would (and still do) randomly shut down and I had an extremely violent temper (no longer, fortunately, but I prefer solitude and silence).

When I was just a kid, I was considered clinically insane and spent the majority of my childhood in asylums. Ever been in an asylum? They're not happy places. Ever been in a children's asylum? It's like being in a cage of rabid dogs. My childhood was not "marshmellow (sic) ponies and sugary candy."

I have a lot of that childhood to make up for; thus my love of cartoons and frankly other childish things. I have a toy collection that would make any kid in the city envious. I like comics, though I much prefer the older stuff to the new I don't even know why I like the show, in fact I had no actual interest in it, but when I saw the opening to "Sonic Rainboom" during a channel-surf, I honestly smiled. I didn't laugh as I would when something funny would happen in a show I found amusing.

I simply smiled. And it felt good.

I do not call myself a 'brony'. The term is ridiculous and suggests that I am nothing more than a small part of a whole. That's unacceptable: I'm not "part of something greater," I'm me.

Someone who likes (and let's be blunt here) a girl's cartoon for no other reason that it makes him smile and feel better. I did not 'join the herd' (another insipid phrase that suggests that I am nothing but part of a collective), I just like the show. I can do that without being part of a group, yes?

I personally found Pony Archives reaction despicable. I have no doubt yournieces are more mature than that, so I don't consider it a loss to the world. I find those whose response boil down to "Fuck you, Hasbro!" equally appalling.

I mean granted (with the possibility of the DVDs, whenever they come) I'm likely never going to buy any MLP stuff, but you don't piss in someone else's soup; at the end of the day it's theirs and they're obliged to protect what's theirs.

I'd never have written anything before now, I simply wouldn't have seen the point, but a girl's cartoon that makes me smile was reason enough to start. I've found that writing makes me smile as well. Reading what others write is fine, but knowing you made it yourself...

Well, you've written a lot; I'm sure you must feel something like that.

The only episodes I have to watch here is season one (the one channel that shows it hasn't gotten season two, if they ever will), so I have to watch the new episodes on Youtube.

Now, I'm not going to stop doing that, but at the same time I don't feel entitled to it, either. It's simply a bonus. Something nice to have, but something I can live without. If anything else, it means more episodes that will be new to me when the DVDs start coming.

As I said: No harm, no foul. I won't stop checking Youtube, but I'm not going to let a (legitimate) copyright claim piss me off, either. If every episode gets pulled, I can, as stated, simply live without it.

I am mature enough to understand this.

Did I mention I was forty?
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Bro, I was in an asylum as a child myself, and though it fucked me up quite thoroughly, it is not "like being in a cage of rabid dogs". It's more like "being forced to interact with adults that function abnormally, and having to either adapt or isolate yourself". Because that's what it is; mostly adults, all of which have their own reasons to be there.

Or maybe my asylum was abnormal. I don't know. But I beg to differ.
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AndroidPudding Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Let me put it this way: half of the days were filled with screams. Some of them were mine.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That doesn't help. I screamed a lot too, but I was an annoying little aspie fuckhead as a kid. Other people screamed, but they were just refusing to take their goddamn medication, so they got needles jammed in their ass. In both cases, it wasn't something warranted by the situation.
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AndroidPudding Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Twenty-five years ago, things were distinctly less 'people friendly'. You had it much easier. Nonetheless, this isn't really the place to air out such things, and we're going off tangent here. Rob doesn't need to hear about our problems, it's not really fair to him. I simply used it as a historical reference.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I've never really seen it as a problem, just an aspect of myself. Problem implies negativity, and negativity is subjective. If you see it as a bad thing, that's just point of view.
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BlackBow8 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
Amen (as others have said) I think I enjoyed the show more before I got into the brony community. I use to just watch it for fun and to be happy and laugh. Now when watching it I'm always, in the back of my mind, thinking "oh no bronies are gonna turn this thing into something sexual" when there's something mildly suggestive. Plus they criticize this show so harshly and on the smallest things. I miss when I could watch this show and just have fun with it. I think I may back away from the brony community so I can do that again.
As for the hasbro thing. I never thought of it that way. I never thought of how happy and grateful I should be for them. They could have been like victor (from the geddan meme, where they got rid of every video on youtube that contain the song) but they have been awesome. Also I envy you for being able to go to the bronycon. There's no way I can make it.
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ardashir Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
Amen to all of this. If Hasbro is finally going to be bringing the episodes out on DVD, especially if they go the "season collection" route, I am going to be delighted. The toys don't do it for me, but now Hasbro has something that I can and will gladly spend my money on.

But all that said, I'll still miss seeing the episodes on YouTube -- though I certainly won't miss seeing some of the comments they gathered.
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Teeroy766 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Student Writer
I decided that if I am gonna watch a new episode (I am behind so bad, not even finished the first season.) I am gonna Buy it on iTunes. Can't wait for the DVDs though.
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SandwichDelta Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know why bronies get butthurt over the fact there's no more pony episodes on Youtube. Seriously, there's other means to get the show and watch it. TV, torrents, livestreams, and hell I think you can even buy them from the iTunes store. I have no problem with them taking down episodes to make way for an official DVD, if they wanna make money, all the power to them. In fact, I'll be glad to hand them some cash for a pack of HD episodes with no commercials/watermarks, and the convenience to watch them whenever I want on the big plasma.

I'm glad they've let the fans continue to make their own products from the show. If I had the means, I'd be buying Rainbow Dash plushies left and right from these guys on DA that make them. I'm happy that these amazing music producers like Alex S, JackleApp, Mic the Mic, Tomb and WoodenToaster can crank out amazing pony related tunes without being hindered buy copyright claims. I like coming on to DA everyday and looking at all the pony related work that gets posted here.

If these so called bronies want to bitch up a storm about it then I don't want to be associated with them anymore. I'm not talking about all you normal guys that call yourselves bronies. No, you all are alright. I'm talking about those guys who call themselves 'bronies' and 'fans,' yet they bitch about everything related to the show. Speaking of bitching bronies I went on that tumblr blog; Pony Confessions. It honestly made me ashamed that the fanbase had people like that mixed into it. No wonder people give us flak for being bronies, it's not because well love candy coloured, friendship spreading ponies (Although that doesn't help). It's because of these 'bronies' who passionately badmouth the show enough to get other people's attention.

And, about that R34 comment you made. I recently saw an FAQ that Lauren Faust released, and you know what one of the questions was about? R34. I shit you not. And you know what FAQ stands for? Frequently asked questions. Are you kidding me? You mean to tell me that poor women has been asked about, possibly even showed, R34 about her own show enough times to mention it in an FAQ. Makes me sick. She even had to say that she tries to avoid it, and to please not try to show it to her. Jesus christ guys, I mean I like pony R34 and shipping as much as the next guy but can we please keep our shit away from Hasbro and the creators? They don't need to see that and it gives them such a bad image of us.

I planned for this to be only a paragraph but the more I thought about it the madder I got. So, anyways, massive thanks to Hasbro, Faust and her team for the amazing show, for letting us keep working on fan material, and most of all for the tolerance of putting up with all the shit we throw at them.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I can't speak for others, but: I can't torrent on campus (my campus has some system set up that manages to figure out when someone is torrenting, and shuts down their room's internet access. The best guess anyone I know has is that it has an idea of which ports are used for torrenting. The long and short of it, though, is that if you don't have access to a VPN, you're shit out of luck), and I have a vitriolic distaste for iTunes. The cable access on campus is limited to a select number of channels, and if you want to watch something else, it's a couple hundred dollars a month, which I can't justify. Livestreams are dependent on hosting.

I'm not just bitching to bitch. It is Hasbro's property, they can do what they want with it. But not all solutions are viable. I have the good fortune to know a brony on campus who does have a VPN, so I should be able to get around it, but... It sucks, man.

Also: Oh dear god I hate that tumblr blog. It's as though someone took everything wrong with the fandom and compressed it into one blog. I think I might have to submit my own confession to it: "I hate myself for liking the same things as you people."
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amimizunofan22 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
Same here. Campus blocks torrenting, and our cable doesn't have the Hub. :(
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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Hug it out, bro.
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amimizunofan22 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
Aw, thanks!
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SandwichDelta Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that just sucks. I hate when internet usage is limited in any way. I jope you find yourself a way mate. I'm sure there's a download host out there that you can get the episode from without torrents.

And yes, gotta hate that blog. It's a right load of junk.
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SandwichDelta Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also here's a link to Faust's FAQ I mentioned. [link]
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RBDash47 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Hasbro is also doing much better than many other content producers by making new episodes available in the iTunes store the day after they air, in high def.
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infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well dude, stuff happens I guess. Hasbro's trying to make a buck from it, and a lot of people are mad.



What can you do? :iconeveryponyshrugplz:
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Mister-Hand Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amen (especially paragraph 9). And sort of along that line...

I was a relative latecomer to the fandom, having joined just a few days prior to the airing of The Best Night Ever. But even over these few short months I've been here (compared to those who've been here since the show's premier), I've noticed a sort of trend. The more time goes on, and the larger the fandom becomes, the more negative and defensive (some may say violent) we become. In other words, the more time passes, the more we resemble those from which we originally strove to be different.

It has to do with the nature of growth of this magnitude. In the beginning, it seemed to be more about enjoying this strange and wonderful little show, and buying into its message of positivity. One could argue that the "Love and Tolerance" philosophy was an invention or extrapolation from the ideas of the show by the community, but that doesn't matter. Not to mention that being a decent human being should be a part of everyone's philosophy, whether on the internet or not. But I digress...

As I was saying, there was more to joining the fandom way back in the beginning. It was the unpopular thing to do. People joined because they genuinely liked the show, and most probably had some investment in this "hey guys, let's try not to be such pricks" philosophy. Then, they grew. The idea of kindness and civility on the internet spread, drawing in more and more people. More people became fans of the show, and some of them really dug what the community stood for, too.

But somewhere along the line, things changed. It went from being a relatively small, tighter-knit community to a full-blown phenomenon. One could suggest that it became much easier to be a brony. The more people we welcomed into the folds, the less the message seemed to matter for the majority. It started to become just another thing.

That's where so much of this griping comes from. The reactionary frame of mind is a trademark of the internet frame of mind. And that frame of mind has seeped into bronydom more than bronydom has seeped into it. People who don't want nor care to change. People who view this whole thing as just another fandom, or just another thing to do in their spare time. And hey, maybe they're more "right" than we are about that. But with that frame of mind comes an inherent lack of respect, and I can't abide that.

That's what's turned what used to be a sincere mantra ("Love and tolerate") into a mocking threat. It disgusts me, to be honest. I'd like to think that people would rather live by each others' kindness than misery, but as time goes on I'm starting to see that this isn't the case. Of course, there will always be people like Seth and Tinker and Pixel. And you. But the majority, even in our community, are not the self-sacrificing type. They'd twist someone else's feelings or likes or desires against them for a little catharsis.

THAT is what's wrong with the community. It's not grimdark stuff or rule 34 content (neither of which I find inherent fault in -- I'm a militant "to each their own, goddamnit" kind of guy, whether or not I enjoy the same content as someone else or not), but the poisoned, cancerous mentality that the only person that matters in the whole goddamn world is "Me." "My" convenience, "my" likes and dislikes, "my" enjoyment. The very thing that this community was ostensibly founded to oppose.

I've spent my entire life fighting against that. Cruel people doing cruel things and facing little consequence. I know it's a losing battle, especially here on the internet, but I will fight tooth and nail against it until they drag my bloodied corpse out of the gutter. Of course, this isn't the sort of thing to be combated with rage and violence. It has to be countered with kindness and rationality.

In other words, love and tolerance.

I know there are plenty who would and do openly mock that sentiment. People that don't believe such an idea is worthwhile. I lament the fact that they don't see value in treating others like human beings. But the only way to affect change is to practice that which we believe. After all, only the ideas that we live are of any value.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe nothing will ever change and it's useless to try because we're all such base creatures that we can't see past our own greed and jealousy and hate, and we're stuck in this endless, incestuous cycle of doing things "for the lulz."

...

I sort of got off on a weird tangent, there. Sorry about that. You're right, though. It does feel good to get that shit out.

I'd like to think that things aren't as bad as they seem -- that what we're seeing is just the reaction of the vocal minority. But I don't know. Sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it to be a part of this community.

Also, how on Earth did you italicize your words? I've been trying to figure it out for weeks (sort of). But I can't internet, I'm not good with computer :iconderpyshrugplz:
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Honestly, I prefer the idea of it being "just another thing", because it makes it something you can just mention. In my social circle (IRL, to be clear), I have friends who are bronies, friends who like the show, people who dislike the show, and people who hate the show. Yet we can all get along, even in a mixed group, because it is "just another thing". Flashback a few months ago, and I'm not sure this would be possible. "Closet bronyism" is dying out, because there's so little reason to care enough to hide it, and I approve of that change.

Also, in regard to italicizing, it's all HTML, you can do other stuff too. Here are the basics, have fun (DA supports most of the stuff on that page, if not all, figuring out what it does/doesn't might require some experimentation).
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Mister-Hand Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can respect that. And (in my opinion) there's nothing wrong with that. I have a similar situation IRL -- I'd imagine most people do, to some degree. Everyone's different, with different likes and dislikes and philosophies. And I don't aim to change that. That's not where the issue lies.

It's the culture of bigotry and hatred that's fostered by the internet that I have a problem with, and why I feel it important that there's a community that stands contrary to it. That doesn't need to be us, and I suppose it would be fine if it wasn't. Then again, I've tried to live by something similar to "Love and Tolerance" for most of my life. In other words, I'm projecting so hard I'd make a Powerpoint presentation jealous.

Also, thanks for the HTML stuff! It'll be of tremendous assistance.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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I agree with everything you said here. Even down to the "having trouble considering myself a brony". I want to be able to think of myself as one. But god damn does our fandom make it hard.

I can't wait for my niece to be old enough to enjoy the show. She's watched a few episodes while sitting on my lap, but, at the time, was too young to fully grasp the concept. In a few months, though, I should be able to introduce her to it in a more official capacity, with an expectation that she'll know what's going on.
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OnlyDidItCuzICan Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hooooly crap! I'm usually a fairly patient guy I'm not reading all of that! XDD
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Do it anyway. You're watching an author on DA, why wouldn't you read what he wrote? That kind of defeats the purpose.
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OnlyDidItCuzICan Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah suppose it does ._.
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TheSpiritsLease Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012
Hey, great job on handling yourself there. Usually, it's more about caps lock and cuss words filled with a tiny hint of obvious bias to cement the thick soup of fan-rage. This is my first time hearing of this, I *am* pretty ignorant. But, I'm so glad to see that this issues been dealt with fairly gracefully. Good work, on your opinion and being a good example.
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Lexipants Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012
Massive brohoof to you for posting this. Unfortunately, this is what happens in large fandoms. I came to this fandom after being enchanted by small rainbow horses hoping that stuff like this wouldn't happen, but then our own popularity caught up with us and attracted people who don't subscribe to the tenets of love and tolerance as "real" Bronies do. For whatever reason, these people always seem to be the vocal minority who apparently have no idea how copyrighted property works.

All we can hope to do, I suppose, is Keep Calm and Carry On. Just put on a smile, and remember to be even friendlier, and to live and let live. We cannot react in kind to these people, or we become them.

The "true Bronies" must bear the standard and support what we hold dear.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I think that the whole "love and tolerance" thing backfired a while ago. Now, it's something that "bronies" use as a threat. Someone doesn't like the show? "I'll love and tolerate the shit out of you." Hasbro takes away episodes? "We'll love and tolerate them into the ground."

The entire thing has lost its allure. That most "bronies" can't even claim to know the origin of the term doesn't help. Nothing depresses me more than seeing a self-proclaimed brony using the phrase in a sentence condemning a "troll" for coming from /b/. Frequently, the "troll" is simply a person who dislikes the show.
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Lexipants Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not, since you're basically saying the same thing I did. *scratches head* People flood into the fandom, misappropriate its most sacred 'rules,' use them for intimidation and nastiness, and then claim to be on the same playing field as people who are genuine in at least trying to be loving and tolerant towards others...including the more aggressive b/tards.
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm agreeing with you conditionally.

I feel that the fandom would be better off if it didn't use the "love and tolerance" creed. Especially in the sense they use it now, which goes against the origin of it.

Also, you missed my point with /b/. The term originates from /b/. It's like forwarding Maddox one of his own editorials accusing him of plagiarism. It's stupid, and makes you look like an asshole to an asshole. Which would be impressive, if that had been your goal. As it is, though...
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Lexipants Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
Ah. I misunderstood you, apparently.
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HaileyMarshall Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Student Filmographer
My god, Princess Celestia would make you write down a god damned Friendship report after this. This has to be the most mature act Ive read from a brony in WEEKS. I do agree, this sucks. But Hasbro has been a real trooper. I applaud you for your maturity and way of taking this. It would be amazing to meet you in person.
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PercipientFish Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Student Artist
Well said, Rob. The fanbase has become over-zealous and maybe even fanatical. Oh, irony. I'm still a brony though, for what it means to me. I'm a young man who helps people when I'm asked to, I smile for my friends, and I do my best to make this cynical world a better place. Though we may falter, I have faith that people like you, and maybe me (I hope), can show us the way.

Have a great time at BroNYCon! I sincerely hope you keep creating what you make, and enjoy yourself in the process. Happy years to you.
Your friend, Aaron.
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D4ftP0ny Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Amen, ROB. Amen.

I watch this show because it makes me smile, makes me laugh, and generally makes me feel happy. I don't see how so many "bronies" can get bent out of shape about ANYTHING; obviously, they're not watching this show the right way. ^_^
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